Curse

Coloneh · Feb 18, 2008, 03:01 AM // 03:01

also known as the SY/tntf paragon. i suppose.

Im new to paragons, never really tried them, but i just made on today and have been haveing trouble finding an exact build for the 'imbagon'. so if anyone could give me their exact setup including attributes, runes and equipment i would really appreciate it.

thanks

Ensign · Feb 18, 2008, 04:33 AM // 04:33

Focused Anger
"Save Yourselves!"
"There's Nothing to Fear!"
Aggressive Refrain
Signet of Return
Spear of Lightning
Vicious Attack
"For Great Justice!"

12+2 Spear Mastery
11+1 Leadership
6+1 Command

If using consumables, drop "For Great Justice!" for a PvE skill of your choice ("I Am The Strongest!" is easiest). If not, you can drop Vicious Attack for Spear of Fury.

For equipment, get a Vampiric 15>50 Spear of Fortitude and a req 7 Command Shield of Fortitude with 15 AL and 20% reduced blind duration. You'll also want an Insightful Staff of Fortitude with a +15/-1 inscription, as well as another spear set with no drawback as the prefix to use outside of combat.

Armor is full Survivor with Sup Vigor, Minor Spear, Leadership, and Command, and a Clarity.

Racthoh · Feb 18, 2008, 04:39 AM // 04:39

What Ensign put, except I drop the Signet of Return for my 3rd PvE skill and add it back on in place of FGJ! when using consumables. If something dies I don't like to stop pumping out +100 AL to res.

EDIT: One more thing with that build. Because the only shout you have hitting yourself is FGJ and TNTF it can make keeping up aggressive refrain a little difficult (have to hit TNTF on recharge with a 1 second window). Carry around a second cap with +4 to leadership and use it when you have to put up AR. This provides a 25 second AR and is reapplied that way until it drops.

Antithesis · Feb 18, 2008, 04:45 AM // 04:45

Is there a collector for a req7 shield?

Racthoh · Feb 18, 2008, 04:49 AM // 04:49

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

Is there a collector for a req7 shield?

Highest I can see on wiki is 13 AL, req 7. Although they have an inherent health mod, not sure if you can replace that?

Antithesis · Feb 18, 2008, 04:51 AM // 04:51

So where are you finding the req7 15AL shields?

blue.rellik · Feb 18, 2008, 04:54 AM // 04:54

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

So where are you finding the req7 15AL shields?

People with big pockets

Bobby2 · Feb 18, 2008, 04:54 AM // 04:54

P/W with FGJ! and Focused Anger to keep up the adren gain. My third PvE skill is Spear of Fury though people would rather run Dark Fury on a Hero and take Ebon Battle Standard of Sumthin instead.

But IMO it looks like
- SY!
- TNTF!
- FGJ!
- FA
- optional x4

xDusT II · Feb 18, 2008, 05:20 AM // 05:20

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

So where are you finding the req7 15AL shields?

You buy them from other people. I'm not sure on the cost exactly, considering I've bought them for as low as 10k and as high as 50k.

Keep in mind the shield isn't really crucial. You can adjust your attributes so that you have less spear mastery but more in your shield's attributes. Or you can just roll without the extra 7 armour, the difference will be pretty small.

Antithesis · Feb 18, 2008, 05:27 AM // 05:27

That's pretty much what i'm doing now, running 9 in Command or Motivation.
I was a little unsure about collector shields as i've never come across a 7/15.

Richardt · Feb 18, 2008, 06:03 AM // 06:03

Racthoh wrote up a very nice description of his 4 person team build, and goes in depth into the "Imbagon" as you call it:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10254869

But the bare bones of it is what Bobby2 said: basically all it is Focused Anger, TNtf, SY, and Aggressive Refrain. Just as long as you have 12 in leadership, you can keep up AR just fine.

I'm also in the crowd that uses a q9 max shield-a 15 q7-8 is only neccessary if you want to put the extra point into spear, and I think that's more of a personnal choice.

Schmerdro · Feb 18, 2008, 06:40 AM // 06:40

I really don't understand you people. You should use Flurry instead of Aggressive Refrain (better IAS, no Crack) and "They're On Fire!" along with a SF Elementalist in your party. Also, if you want to get fancy, use Mending Refrain at 8 Motivation (so easy to maintain, why not?).

arsie · Feb 18, 2008, 06:47 AM // 06:47

There is 13AL (Correction) req7 Paragon shields for sale in Blacktide Den.
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Farzi

Also, Schmerdro, Aggressive Refrain saves a lot of energy in the long run with multiple Paragons, and the Cracked Armor is no bother at all. If fact, it is a nice trigger for Spear of Fury. (Wrong

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Racthoh · Feb 18, 2008, 06:48 AM // 06:48

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I really don't understand you people. You should use Flurry instead of Aggressive Refrain (better IAS, no Crack)

Paragons get attacked, rarely. Flurry is 5 energy every 5 seconds, Aggressive Refrain is a one time cast and you keep it up forever (if you know what you're doing). The 8% faster IIRC works out to 6 extra attacks a minute with a spear, nothing major considering each of those attacks is at -25% damage.

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and "They're On Fire!" along with a SF Elementalist in your party.

If you need "They're On Fire!" when you have +100 AL and 35% damage reduction, I don't know what to say. It also means you have to drop an attack skill and one attack skill on a gon is rather weak.

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Originally Posted by Schmerdro

Also, if you want to get fancy, use Mending Refrain at 8 Motivation (so easy to maintain, why not?).

Again you'd have to drop an attack skill to work it in.

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Originally Posted by arsie

If fact, it is a nice trigger for Spear of Fury.

What?

arsie · Feb 18, 2008, 06:52 AM // 06:52

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

What?

Ewps, my brain is upside down. :O

blue.rellik · Feb 18, 2008, 10:58 AM // 10:58

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Originally Posted by Schmerdro

I really don't understand you people. You should use Flurry instead of Aggressive Refrain (better IAS, no Crack) and "They're On Fire!" along with a SF Elementalist in your party. Also, if you want to get fancy, use Mending Refrain at 8 Motivation (so easy to maintain, why not?).

One SF ele is useless

Antithesis · Feb 18, 2008, 01:32 PM // 13:32

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Originally Posted by blue.rellik

One SF ele is useless

Make that Fire damage is all but useless in HM. SF's work well in NM, but don't expect to get too far in HM with a fire ele backline.

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Originally Posted by arsie

There is 13AL (Correction) req7 Paragon shields for sale in Blacktide Den.
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Farzi

Thanks for that.

I'd rather the att points go into spear and lose 3 AL than waste 9 in a line i'm not using.

Schmerdro · Feb 18, 2008, 04:26 PM // 16:26

To Racthoh's post: With a zealous spear I have no trouble keeping up Flurry.

ToF is overkill? What kind of argument is that? It's like saying healing Monks shouldn't use prot spells (dismiss condition, prot spirit). And I wasn't talking about Easy Mode (because anything can work there). Besides, TNtF lasts 12 out of 20 seconds so it's nice to have something while it's not up.

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you'd have to drop an attack skill to work it in.

So it's ok for Monks to drop smiting skills and a rez for more healing/protecting but it's not ok for defensive Paragons to drop an attack skill. Ok, that makes perfect sense to me.

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One SF ele is useless

With Mark of Rodgort, the SF ele can keep all foes in a nearby area constantly burning. Think of this ele as the "midliner"

I do agree that its damage is pathetic in HM, but 7 degeneration isn't that bad and it can work pretty nice with Winter against fiery foes.

Cherng Butter · Feb 18, 2008, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by Schmerdro

it can work pretty nice with Winter against fiery foes.

Actually I'm pretty sure Winter changes damage type AFTER damage calculations, so...no.

Shaz · Feb 18, 2008, 05:09 PM // 17:09

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Originally Posted by Schmerdro

To Racthoh's post: With a zealous spear I have no trouble keeping up Flurry.

AR is still superior. Cracked Armor shouldn't be a problem, you're a range attacker with high armor with defensive chants and shouts, and a shield. And beside, you rarely get attack.

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Originally Posted by Schmerdro

ToF is overkill? What kind of argument is that? It's like saying healing Monks shouldn't use prot spells (dismiss condition, prot spirit). And I wasn't talking about Easy Mode (because anything can work there). Besides, TNtF lasts 12 out of 20 seconds so it's nice to have something while it's not up.

No, it more like saying healing Monks shouldn't fill their bar full of heal spells, because that is unnecessary where a heal/prot hybrid would be better. Just like ToF is unnecessary in a TNTF+SY bar where a more defensive/offensive hybrid would be better. TNTF is not really necessary also but it has a nice party heal and work on yourself too where as SY does not.